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Daveed Yathed (Naba) at the Mate Factor in Manitou Springs
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"We must see that it is Yoneq's spirit holding our community together. If we resist then it is hard to function in community. Resistance makes life miserable. Subtle rebellion disables Yoneq from functioning as an apostle. If we pick apart our leaders it makes it hard to rule. The work will go forward with cooperation. But if you resist authority the work ceases. We must be loyal to Yoneq and his anointing." -Apostolic Workers Meeting 6/13/88
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“We don’t want people to destroy their lives like we did. Most Tribes members know James and I- or at least our names. We don’t want people to waste many years in the Tribes like us and not enjoy a normal life and relationship with their natural families. The normal life that people enjoy previous to joining the Community will be destroyed and turned upside down.” Michael Painter, Former Fourth in Command of TT after spending 15 years in TT – 1/23/93
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“In making these statements we are not interested in seeking revenge or trying to be a disgruntled ex member but to inform people so they can make a choice based on facts. We know that the Tribes will never change as long as Elbert Eugene Spriggs is the sole uncontested leader. Spriggs may write new teachings or they may live in new places or they may wear their hair different or wear different clothes but the basic theme will be obedience to him and his teachings.” James Howell Spriggs personal secretary for 10 years -
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"The TT would go a long way toward returning to their spiritual center, if they embraced a humble heart. I am reminded of Jesus’ story of the sinner in the Temple who prayed, “Have mercy on me, ” who was contrasted with the ‘religious’ person, who prayed, “Thank you that I am better than that sinner.” I’m not sure that forgiveness and the transformation of the heart is possible without embracing humility." - Ex TT Member
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My daughter is very interested, largely because her former "TyQuanDo"? teacher at a Christian School was ignominiously banned from her Church for checking them out(TT).
I have had a couple discussions with one of the more mature male members (does that make him an 'Elder'?) I wish I had a better grasp of the Scriptures proving the Holy Spirit is a distinct Person, part of the Trinity, etc., though I have certainly planted some Seeds of Doubt (Scriptures questioning TT's position)
There has been a bit of controversy over TT buying an old 'Victorian'? house in town, and an old building they are renovating and making into a Cafe'.
My wife and I have both been Very Impressed by the Love we have felt from them, and the perceived genuineness! But when I try to share information on TT from sites like this one, my wife shuts me off in disbelief. And when I mention things like TT belief that the 'Jesus' in Denominational Christianity being a Demon, the TT members at the Gathering (or whatever the nightly meetings are called) responded in disbelief, saying things like, "WE Never said THAT!" (Of course, that is NOT Denying that they TEACH That!!!)
[The former teacher that our daughter is so fond of has been studying TT for over 2 years now, and has his house on the market. I am just PRAYing that I can get the TRUTH to the teacher BEFORE they sell their house! (They have 4 children - 2 under 3 years of age)
Sure do Appreciate your site!!!!!!!
'Phineas'
I just want to post an alert. There is a man named Brian Birmingham who considers himself a "cult investigator" and he is very dangerous. He has attended your public meetings. He has been in mental hospitals and was kicked out of the army while in Iraq. I never heard of your group when this man contacted me and asked me to go to your meetings with him and I said no, and in the weeks since then he has sent menacing emails with very personal information and he has libeled and slanderd. You can see his face in a video, in youtube he posts as "zeuszor" and shows video of a tv show where he appeared as a guest against a different group of Christians. You can see his face clearly in the beginning of several of them.
He is dangerous. He confuses his desire to "bust cults" with some kind of leadership thing and he viciously attacks women who rebuff him. He is about 30 and I have had to put up with him posting extreme obscenities all across the internet where I have various art and Catholic videos, and I am 57!
He attacks one group after another, calling them all cults, and he becomes especially vicious to women who he first appeals to as a "victim" character. It took me five minutes to see through him but instead of just disappearing after I blocked his chat attempts, I suddenly became the target of vicious data-stalking, libel, and I'm sure if he were physically present he would be vicious.
Please do not hesitate to get warrants keeping him away from your public events. He has hooked up with some extremely unsavory people and he is obsessive. He might be living in Quincy.
oops, I am the same anonymous as above. In glancing over the site I thought it was a Twelve-
Tribe oriented site, not a critic site. That's ok, my alert is still important. This guy Birmingham will try to hook up with other people "fighting cults" because that is how he contacted me, requesting a chat after an open discussion about a different cult.
He works with the notorious "Rick Ross" group that does violent de-progamming kidnappings. Ross does not care what kinds of goons he employs, and he often gives the cults the legal foundation they need to keep a member in hiding because of his violent goons. He actually helps the cults.
My daughter was found dead at UMass Amherst after I posted these remarks. Birmingham and his friends posted in their "anticult" forum that they knew how to drive people to suicide. They sent obituaries before my daughter died as warnings and they bragged after she died. But because of their connections to the so-called "anticult" movement no real investigation was allowed. UMass did not want to be embarrassed.
Brian Birmingham is living in East Dallas Texas, posing as a Hare Krishna and going by the name of Veda Vyasa das Birmingham. About 2 1/2years ago I met him at our temple. He confessed to his “ past anti cult work”. After learning of his past with anti cult research and hearing numerous complaints against him about his making people in our community feel “uncomfortable” in their dealings with him I kept my distance from him. My husband served on the temple council and brought the complaints to the attention of the the elders in our community. He has since been harassing me sexually, verbally, and electronically with endless threatening emails and text messages. He follows me when I am at our temple and watches me, which others have noticed and reported. He has referenced our children in emails multiple times. He describes a woman that can only be me and talks about having an unregistered gun that he wants to modify for Texas Style Justice. He also contacted my husband after his grandmothers death and noted how sad my husband was, then turned around and started degrading me in the same email thread. He has been slandering my name by using his college degree to diagnose me as severely mentally ill, specially labeling me as having borderline personality disorder and that I have something called “splitting”, which I believe he has used before on other targets, and has claimed that I have not only physically attacked him with my bare hands ( I’m 5’2” and 105lbs), which witnesses to our VERBAL confrontation of me screaming at him to leave me alone (after 6 straight months of his harassment at this time) have refuted his version, but also that I am an immediate danger to the community and must be removed. I have lived in this neighborhood for 9 years and he is the first and only person to make these claims against me. He outright tells people that he is campaigning against me and repeatedly questions other’s relationships with me and reassures them that he’ll protect them from me if they are afraid to open up about my “well known abuse” of people. He has made threats against myself, my family, and our temple if my husband and I are not removed from our religious duties in the community. He is absolutely aware that I know his various confirmed aliases Brian Birmingham, Brian J Birmingham, zueszor, Veda Vyasa das, Veda Vyasa das Birmingham. I also suspect based on cult education.com postings and the first Facebook account of Veda Vyasa Birmingham being identical, not only in the posts but also the comments that he is also VoxVeritasVita das, but that right now is speculation. He abandoned his first public Facebook page, Veda Vyasa Birmingham after my husband openly questioned him on the similarities between the two sites that were brought to our attention. He shortly thereafter closed that account and opened a new one with the same name and similar profile, but made this private.
My hands are temporarily tied, but I have been in contact with and filed all of my documents I have on him including the harassment with city and county law enforcement, a women’s right advocate that specializes in stalking, a Texas state licensed therapist, an attorney, and trusted friends and family.
Play by play he is doing to me and my family what I have heard and read he did to Denise Matthieu and hers.
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